This isn't 100% related to anything you said in your post, but I read a couple of reviews of V&V and I was thinking about how people are always comparing Fever to V&V, which -- Fever was a CD written by a teenager about all of his painful teenage feelings. I don't think that Fever even has a cohesive sound for Panic! to be returning to. I definitely think it's more like Fever than PO, but Fever was about being cheated on and having an alcoholic father and still so young desperate for attention. V&V sounds like a couple of guys who have been in the industry for a little while now made a CD together. It's interesting musically, it's fine lyrically, and it's damn catchy. All the stuff you talk about in your post -- it's definitely a CD made by guys who like music. With Spencer's drumming and Brendon playing all the instruments and key changes and different time signature.