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harborshore ([personal profile] harborshore) wrote2010-01-07 01:53 am

and now you will understand why i was procrastinating...

Because writing ficlets was a hell of a lot more interesting and less infuriating than trying to take my philosophy textbook seriously.


Choice quotes (the parenthesis are my comments):


In the last two decades, sexual harassment has become a significant ethical concern in science as more women have entered the scientific profession (yes, those darned womenfolk, they really complicate things)...Behaviors that have been viewed (have been viewed?) as sexual harassment include rape (WHICH IS A CRIME) and unwanted sexual advances (ALSO A CRIME), requests for dates, quid pro quo arrangements, dirty jokes, sexual teasing, and lewd looks (Webb 1995).

We lack consensus on this issue (REALLY?), in part because men and women have different perspectives on sexual harassment (...uh, okay). This issue has become a battleground for opposing viewpoints and attitudes on the relations between the sexes... Sexual harassment is also legal (his typo, not mine--isn't it an interesting typo though?) in the United States and other countries.

...Since false charges of sexual harassment can still ruin careers and reputations, due process and fairness should be observed while reporting or adjudicating harassment, and trivial (I would like to know what constitutes a trivial accusation of sexual harassment, Mister Resnik) or unwarranted accusations should be avoided. While scientists should avoid sexual harassment, it is important for scientists to feel comfortable in a laboratory setting (I don't even know what to say about that one). Research and teaching can be significantly hampered when scientists feel too uptight to make conversation or socialize with their colleagues or interact in a normal way. (!!!!)

And then he finishes the section by advocating tolerance. I told [livejournal.com profile] liketheroad I was mostly helplessly laughing, because seriously, this dude is hilarious.


Except that I'm supposed to cite him and take him seriously, which I am not all that comfortable doing. Surprisingly.

He also had some fabulous gems on affirmative action, or as he prefers to call it, "preferential treatment." The gist of that one was basically that if scientists use "irrelevant characteristics" like race or gender in hiring someone, that someone was more likely to be underqualified and therefore more likely to be a bad scientist. So the fact that white dudes are hired based on them being white dudes all the fucking time means that they are...excellent scientists, got it.

[identity profile] novembersmith.livejournal.com 2010-01-07 01:50 am (UTC)(link)
Research and teaching can be significantly hampered when scientists feel too uptight to make conversation or socialize with their colleagues or interact in a normal way.

BRB, FROTHING AT THE MOUTH.

[identity profile] novembersmith.livejournal.com 2010-01-07 02:02 am (UTC)(link)
RRRRRRRRRRRRRR. Ahem. As a member of the scientific community, I have to say, my experience is that 'trivial or unwarranted accusations' are MUCH MUCH MUCH LESS COMMON than women being afraid to speak up because they think they won't be believed or taken seriously. Just... asd;lfkja. I just had one of my friends go through a terrible, terrible sexual harrassment hearing and she was the first one to press charges against this guy, even though he'd been harrassing female students for years. The professor kept telling all the students that no one would believe them, that no one would care. He was finally, finally called out on it, and he still didn't get fired, even though there was DEFINITIVE PROOF of sexual harrassment -- they just forced him into early retirement.

/ragerant

Ahem. I do not blame you for procrastinating. I admire you for being able to slog through that without defacing (or burning) the book.
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[identity profile] harborshore.livejournal.com 2010-01-07 08:59 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, I am being so so careful with the book, because I plan to fucking return it on Saturday so that I will get my goddamn money back. I didn't buy it until now so that I would be able to do that--a look through one of my friends' copies told me I wouldn't like it, but I had no idea just how much I would hate it.

And ugh, I'm so sorry he did that to your friend! GOD. A friend of mine went through roughly the same thing--she was also the first one to take it further than a professor in the department (all the other girls were going to the one woman, quite understandably, but she was not tenured and the asshole WAS, and she was new, etc.). It didn't lead to anything then either, he's still there.

[identity profile] blindmouse.livejournal.com 2010-01-07 02:06 am (UTC)(link)
Ahaha, oh god, and every time he uses the word "scientist" he openly means "male scientist", oh fuck.
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[identity profile] harborshore.livejournal.com 2010-01-07 09:02 am (UTC)(link)
Well, obviously the only women or non-white scientists around came into it between 1978 and 1998, right? That means they practically don't count.
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[identity profile] harborshore.livejournal.com 2010-01-07 09:03 am (UTC)(link)
PRETTY MUCH. Like, I started out being furious and then after a while I was just cracking up and quoting him at my sister who went "...send me the quotes, I'm gonna email my advisor." Her advisor, btw, is Indian and female.
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[personal profile] x_dark_siren_x 2010-01-07 02:21 am (UTC)(link)
Dude, your philosophy book sucks ass. *frownyface*

I also really dislike this bit ...Since false charges of sexual harassment can still ruin careers and reputations, because, well, to me? It sounds like he's saying, "yeah, everyone gets such a bee in their bonnet over this, I don't get it. It's not a big deal!" Which, no.

Research and teaching can be significantly hampered when scientists feel too uptight to make conversation or socialize with their colleagues or interact in a normal way. (!!!!) Oh God, what you said. I'm actually half-asleep, and yet I feel sick at that. Fuck. Next he'll be telling us that girls should take sexual harassment as a compliment. >:( >:( >:(

Dude, can't you just. I don't know. Explain that yoy have a serious problem with this guy's views, and aren't comfortable using him as source? And you're happy to find another, more acceptable source, by both your standards and the - university's? ...as a replacement.

Advocating tolerance. Hmm. Okay. Sounds a bit like the guy who told [livejournal.com profile] barmy_bunk that she should be tolerant of the fact that he was calling her sons little girls, and meant it in a bad way. (Or something to that effect. It was here, I'm kind of half asleep, I'm not being clear.)

See, this is why I only read my texts for essays and such. I read - amd still reading; you know what it's like, when you find out you don't like a book, it's much harder to keep going - Orwell's "Down and Out" for class last semester, because I really liked Animal Farm, and I liked his writing - but dude, no. The guy is such an asshole, he's racist and sexist, and if I hear one more person say, "What can you expect? It was the times," I am quite honestly going to cut a bitch. I still like Orwell's writing, I happen to agree with some of his political stances (again, if Animal Farm is anything to go by). But he is so wrong when it comes to white male supremacy - upper class white male supremecy, even >.<- that it makes me physically ill, and I have to put the book down. Again, there's a reason why it's taking me so long, and why I have so many fines on the damn thing. (Damn uni library...)

Um. Sorry for the rant. >.<. Too much caffeine, not even sleep. I'm going now.
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[personal profile] x_dark_siren_x 2010-01-07 02:24 am (UTC)(link)
*** Shit, I fucked up the link. As it is, it's flocked now anyway, so I can't get back in. >:( But yeah, it was pretty much bullshit too.
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[identity profile] harborshore.livejournal.com 2010-01-07 02:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Unfortunately these profs won't be open to that kind of objection (these would be the same professors that I've been complaining about for a while).

And I'm used to having professors who select texts that are interesting and relevant to the subject, and if they're offensive, it's for a reason, a.k.a. we're expected to learn something from them. I'm used to reading my texts intensely and with great appreciation and attention to detail. This bullshit? It's not even well-written bullshit.
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[personal profile] x_dark_siren_x 2010-01-07 04:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, them. Yes, well. If I haven't done so before, allow me to stat that they, too, suck ass. >:(

...So, it's like the philosophy version of Twilight?
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[identity profile] iamsupernova.livejournal.com 2010-01-07 02:26 am (UTC)(link)
Wait, advocating tolerance for... sexual harassment?

And he seems confused about the broad middle ground between "too uptight to make conversation or socialize with their colleagues or interact in a normal way" and, uh, RAPE.

whatttttttt.
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[identity profile] harborshore.livejournal.com 2010-01-07 02:10 pm (UTC)(link)
MY REACTION EXACTLY.

[identity profile] absenteye.livejournal.com 2010-01-07 02:49 am (UTC)(link)
PROTIP: IF YOUR NORMAL STYLE OF SOCIALIZATION IS HAMPERED BY HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT THINGS LIKE SEXUAL HARASSMENT CHARGES, IT STANDS TO REASON THAT YOUR NORMAL STYLE OF SOCIALIZATION INVOLVES MOTHERFUCKING SEXUAL HARASSMENT, YOU ENTITLED FUCK.

BRB YELLING FURIOUSLY AT A WALL FOR ABOUT AN HOUR

>:(
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[identity profile] harborshore.livejournal.com 2010-01-07 02:29 pm (UTC)(link)
YES, THAT. I CANNOT FUCKING BELIEVE THIS IS MY COURSE LITERATURE. AND IT WAS PUBLISHED IN 1998 NOT IN THE FIFTIES.

[identity profile] extemporally.livejournal.com 2010-01-07 03:05 am (UTC)(link)
:((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

what the fuck.
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[identity profile] harborshore.livejournal.com 2010-01-07 02:29 pm (UTC)(link)
This is my ETHICS textbook, Sian. ETHICS.
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[identity profile] harborshore.livejournal.com 2010-01-07 02:33 pm (UTC)(link)
YEAH.

God I hate my program sometimes. And required courses. *seethes*

[identity profile] erraticonstilts.livejournal.com 2010-01-07 05:39 am (UTC)(link)
WHAT THE FUCK. idek what to say about this. how is this a textbook, seriously >:((((
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[identity profile] harborshore.livejournal.com 2010-01-07 03:21 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't know! It's not like there are a million on-offensive ethics textbooks to choose from or anything.
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[identity profile] sunsetmog.livejournal.com 2010-01-07 09:46 am (UTC)(link)
A WHOLE WORLD OF NO. Fuck, that's AWFUL.



(I owe you an email! I am sending waves of hearts in your general direction, though, I hope they are getting through even if I am late emailing you my thanks. ♥ ♥ ♥)
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[identity profile] harborshore.livejournal.com 2010-01-07 03:26 pm (UTC)(link)
And I haven't even typed up the part about "preferential treatment" (his name for all types of affirmative action). AUGH.


(:D I'm glad it helped! I was getting a little worried, but now I am at ease.)
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[personal profile] turlough 2010-01-07 04:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Kill! Kill!! KILL!!!
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[identity profile] harborshore.livejournal.com 2010-01-07 09:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Uh-huh.