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harborshore ([personal profile] harborshore) wrote2009-03-31 08:43 pm
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more than this

I'm trying to write down my reaction to "Pretty Good for a Girl", and I just can't. It's straight-up joy laced with so much anger, it's all the women I love in one long list inside my head and all the words I ever tried to put to music fighting to get out at once.

I've been a singer since I was two. That's something I say to people when they ask why I never tried smoking; that's something I say when someone wants to know what my hobbies or interests are, outside of academia and writing or whatever job I'm applying to at the moment. I've been singing since I was two, I've sung other people's songs on stage at graduations and larger concerts and outdoor music festivals. I'm not going to lie or pretend to be shy about it, not here, not right now: I'm good at it. I make stories real, on stage. It's similar to what makes me a good teacher—performance is about forgetting yourself and remembering that no matter what, the story is more important than you are.

Something else that people ask is why I never started a band. I usually laugh off that question, claiming my attention span was always too short to learn an instrument, and that my double-jointed fingers make it really complicated (and sometimes painful) to play piano or guitar. That's all true. But I know that's not the real reason.



As long as I don't turn my poems into songs, as long as I don't finish them, as long as I don't stand up on that stage with those words that are mine, I can keep hiding. Because here's the thing: I'm scared. I don't think I'm good enough, or pretty enough, or assertive enough. I don't think I could find a band who would want to make music for my lyrics, or even play my songs. Because I do write songs, I just pretend I don't.

I'm not writing that here because I want you to tell me that I am good enough/interesting enough/pretty enough. At this point, no one is more aware than I am that my self-image is a little out of whack. Trust me when I say I'm working on it, and anyway, that's not the point, not right now.

The point is that talented women are always scared. Talented women are always told they're not good enough or pretty enough to stand on the same stage as that man up there. We're taught to want them, not want to be them. I'm not ashamed to be a fan: I love this fandom and I'm really glad I discovered My Chemical Romance at the time that I did. I love that they exist, because they're fucking awesome and their music makes me so happy, and I'm profoundly grateful that they make it really fucking clear that they're feminists. I appreciate that in a band I love. It makes me less likely to get randomly nauseated by unexpected misogynist statements in interviews. (Ask me some other time about loving Bob Dylan's music but having tremendous issues with him as a person.)

At roughly the same time as I found Gerard Way and his merry band of darlings, I found the Dresden Dolls and Indigo Girls and Vienna Teng and Bikini Kill. I already knew about Ani DiFranco and Aretha Franklin and Beverley Knight and the Corrs and Adele and Alanis Morrisette and The Be Good Tanyas and Joan Baez and Fiona Apple and Christina Aguilera and Emmylou Harris and Eva Cassidy and Garbage and Hole and Janis Joplin and Melinda Doolittle and Joni Mitchell and Kate Bush and Lauryn Hill and Nina Simone. (Let's call these lists non-exhaustive, shall we?)

You know who else I found out about? Yeah. That bassist who plays in that crazy band and gets on stage to, as she puts it, make "being a woman in music seem a little less unusual and perhapes open the door to thinking it's something you could do too."

Lyn-Z Ballato, if I do start that band, it'll be because I heard you, more than I've heard anything anyone has said to me in the two years since I graduated college. In another interview, you said "Be the kind of woman you want to be, and be free to be that." I heard that too, and I've been walking taller since.

I lost track of my point again. What I meant to say when I started, is that women deserve a place in the scene. As fanfic writers, we are in some ways writing ourselves a less misogynist, more permissive, less homophobic space than the one that actually exists. And that's good, I love that, I love rewriting reality and I think it does create something real, but there's no reason that we can't have the rest as well.

Come to think of it, I shouldn't even have to say we deserve a place in the scene, behind the scenes, on the fucking stage if we want to be there. I don't even want to tell everyone to start a band (that's not the point either) but I do want, oh do I want, for all the talented women I keep meeting to realize that they are good enough to be up there. And let's take the metaphorical stage to mean whatever venue you want, shall we? An art gallery, a publishing company, a stage, it doesn't even matter. If you dream of creating something, then do it. Do it. I will buy it; I bet people on your flist will. There is no reason, no reason, that you can't be in fandom and create something of your own as well.

(Side note: this isn't to say that being in fandom isn't worth anything. This isn't to say you have to be an actual artist to be worth anything. This is just saying you could, you can. Verb Noire created a small press because they wanted more genre fiction by PoC and LGBT authors, and about PoC and LGBT protagonists.)



I guess what I want to say is this: let's start a revolution. It might be a quiet one, a slow one, but I want us to have the place we deserve. I want Lyn-Z and Kitty to not be so rare that (misogynist asshole) security guards refuse to let them backstage after playing because somehow the drum sticks, the bass and the stage sweat still isn't enough to convince him they're not groupies. I want to be able to not flinch when I turn on MTV and there are music videos playing. (Come to think of it, I want more videos like Ciara's Like A Boy.) I want female musicians in bands to not be A Big Deal. I want female fans and techs and managers and performers to be respected. I want this to be our scene, in every sense of the word. One place to start is to buy that zine that made me write this. *points up* Another is to write some music. Another is to support female musicians. Another is just this: walk taller. This is our scene; this is our space.


ETA: Awesome recs in comments.
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[identity profile] yan-tan-tether.livejournal.com 2009-03-31 07:47 pm (UTC)(link)
WORD.

This post has just prompted me to go and look up two of my favorite female-fronted bands, Little Fish and Sonic Boom Six

Pessimistically it even sometimes seems like we're going backwards in terms of female punk and indie, at least in the 90s we had Skunk Anansie and Elastica and Hole... but women like Amanda Palmer and Kitty and Lyn-Z give me hope.

Edited to say: I just found podcasts of a great internet radio show that only plays female-led music. It's called Suck My Left One
Edited 2009-03-31 19:57 (UTC)
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[identity profile] harborshore.livejournal.com 2009-03-31 08:17 pm (UTC)(link)
YES, RECS! I will ETA and tell people to go look at them when I'm not finishing my take home exam anymore. Also, that podcast! *beams* I have new things to listen to! And, in return: check out the Noisettes, if you haven't heard of them. So, so awesome.

Augh, tell me about it. Female rock singers were mainstream then, you know? I was pretty young, but it meant a lot to have all of them out there. And there are so many women making music today, I actually think what has changed the most is the coverage--we don't get to see them as much. I want, no, need that to change so badly.
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[identity profile] yan-tan-tether.livejournal.com 2009-03-31 08:31 pm (UTC)(link)
I think it's definitely the coverage, and without it bands just can't get known. NME, for example, often cover female solo artists like La Roux, Lily Allen etc but I can't even remember the last time they had a big splash on a female-led band. I'm not knocking women solo artists at all - I actually really like Lily Allen and think she's pretty inspirational and I love Florence & the Machine and Ida Maria - but I want there to be a bunch of kickass punk bandwomen getting publicised everywhere too. I remember seeing Skunk Anansie at Glastonbury when I was 17 and it was just AMAZING...*rambles*

And I haven't listened to the Noisettes before, thanks for the rec!

[identity profile] thesamefire.livejournal.com 2009-03-31 08:35 pm (UTC)(link)
I feel like the last girl-led band the NME had a big boner for was the Yeah Yeah Yeahs, back in 2003. Although I think they also have loved on Beth Ditto/The Gossip more recently than that. Those are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head though.
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[identity profile] yan-tan-tether.livejournal.com 2009-03-31 08:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh yeah, they've covered the Yeah Yeah Yeahs recently too! And you're right about Gossip, though they've been pretty quiet about them recently.

[identity profile] thesamefire.livejournal.com 2009-03-31 08:44 pm (UTC)(link)
the YYYs have a new album out and it's really good and I am so excited for them to be active again!

has Rolo Tomassi been a big thing with the NME? they seem like they might be, but probably because they have a female vocalist, which is a little unusual for that kid of music (although I can think of a few North American bands with female singers who were doing that kind of music well before RT, like The Sick Lipstick and AIDS Wolf).
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[identity profile] yan-tan-tether.livejournal.com 2009-03-31 08:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't remember any coverage of them, but they do seem like the sort of band they should be writing about. They got a bit of coverage in Rock Sound this month as they've been touring with Fucked Up and The Bronx recently.

[identity profile] thesamefire.livejournal.com 2009-03-31 08:54 pm (UTC)(link)
man, I love Fucked Up. Also, they have a female bassist, and that's not really a Thing with them at all, which is cool. But I guess the band kind of has this ~mystique~ that's more interesting than the fact that their bassist is a girl. And a fat girl at that.

[identity profile] thesamefire.livejournal.com 2009-03-31 08:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh and when I say "fat" I don't mean that in a bad way, I mean that in a society-judges-women-in-music way. It is firmly my opinion that she is a babe:


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[identity profile] yan-tan-tether.livejournal.com 2009-03-31 09:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Absolutely! I love it when there are women bassists/guitarists/drummers in bands who are just getting on with being awesome musicians and it's not presented as an issue that they're female. As well as Fucked Up I'm particularly thinking of the bassist in Dananananaykroyd (terrible name, fantastic band) and the drummer in Glasvegas.

[identity profile] thesamefire.livejournal.com 2009-03-31 09:06 pm (UTC)(link)
I have heard of both of those bands but I did not know they had female members! And I think that's how it should be--it just not being noteworthy or remarkable, just a fact of life.
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[identity profile] harborshore.livejournal.com 2009-03-31 09:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Exactly, exactly, precisely this. And you two are my favorites. I have so many new artists to check out now! *beams* (You are, also, so right: she is definitely a babe. My kind of woman, and a bassist as well, damn.)

[identity profile] thesamefire.livejournal.com 2009-03-31 09:12 pm (UTC)(link)
One more artist to check out: Bat For Lashes! She's just about to put out her second album and they're both sort of atmospheric and moody, much less rowdy than some of the other bands we've been talking about here *g* I've been using her as writing music this week, and I'm quite excited to go see her play next month.
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[identity profile] harborshore.livejournal.com 2009-04-01 11:46 am (UTC)(link)
She was in my newspaper this morning! Clearly this is a sign from somewhere that I should check her out.
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[identity profile] harborshore.livejournal.com 2009-03-31 08:40 pm (UTC)(link)
There's really something to be said for kickass punk bandwomen, I very much want that too. (One reason why I love the Noisettes.) And I want, want, want more female musicians to get talked about. Shona Tucker, bassist in the Drive-By Truckers, man I love her so much. Different genre, mind you, but she's pretty fucking awesome.
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[identity profile] harborshore.livejournal.com 2009-03-31 09:12 pm (UTC)(link)
And clarification--I really agree with what the two of you are saying about how it shouldn't be a big deal that female musicians are women--I want there to be a way of getting the role models out there and, while acknowledging that they're fucking awesome and talented, also presenting them as examples to follow, not unique, once-in-a-lifetime talents that are impossible to emulate. If that makes sense.
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[identity profile] yan-tan-tether.livejournal.com 2009-03-31 09:18 pm (UTC)(link)
I completely agree, I think it's a delicate balance between making women in music "special" in a way they shouldn't be (like, I see Laura the bassist in Dananananaykroyd getting put in the foreground of photoshoots and focused on in a way a male bassist wouldn't be and that makes me uncomfortable) and giving them enough coverage to inspire other women. Hopefully, if enough coverage is given to female musicians they will start to be presented as less unique, just because there are so many of them out there. Does that make any kind of sense?
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[identity profile] harborshore.livejournal.com 2009-03-31 09:41 pm (UTC)(link)
That makes all kinds of sense. And I've seen that in photo shoots, for sure. I'm pretty sure a couple of early MSI pictures look like that, too, which changed when they got more status, obviously. I also think that kind of coverage is less about presenting a role model (even though the magazine in question might be aiming for that) than it is about portraying what stands out. Essentially what we're aiming for here is that female musicians should be able to be called musicians, yes? We're not there yet, we still need the clarification, because they're still anomalies.