let's talk about bob/brian for a second
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See, here's the thing. You lot know I will read and write pretty much any pairing, up to and including Lyn-Z/Mac from Veronica Mars and Bob/Batman, right? But I have an OTP, I've come to realize that. An OTP that I can deviate from, sort of, if the story or the idea is compelling enough--emotions and relationships depend on the underlying characterization, after all, and I certainly don't loathe alternative pairings at all (Bob/Batman, for example). But ultimately, I find them so interesting together that I default to writing them when I can, and I love reading them, love it so much.
I've talked about the fact that I fell into bandom because of Lyn-Z, right? And the idea for a longer revolutionary AU that I couldn't ignore. But I don't think I've talked about how I first wrote fic too much. Wait For The Morning happened because I made an innocent remark in
torakowalski's journal, the first time I talked to her, actually, about how Bob should kidnap Brian and take him on a roadtrip. She told me that was an excellent idea, and because she's been able to make me tell stories even before we knew each other, that was it.
50 comments or so later, we had to take it to email, because I realized I had an actual fic. Writing is never as easy as when I'm writing about the two of them, oh man. And what's in the story, the way Bob cares about Brian and Brian slowly realizes that he loves Bob, that's why I love writing them. Because they know each other so well, they can pull each other out of the worst of hells by yelling or not saying anything or by holding on. Because the tiniest comments ("Stop being such a goddamn idiot," or "Fuck you, asshole, you said you wouldn't do that any more," or "Shut up, Schechter," or even "I like you too") and the tiniest touches, they mean a hell of a whole lot more because they normally wouldn't say anything.
So that's a godsend for a writer, right? There is meaning in everything. Like this moment from my big bang:
And I wish I could take credit for that, but really, it's that dynamic, it's easy, so easy. And goddamn gorgeous, too. ♥
It works when they're girls, too: One More Time With Feeling was the easiest of all the ficlets I've written, and I want to turn it into a story--a canon-based girl!Bob/girl!Brian would work, right? Tora says it would and I tend to agree.
The canon is one of my favorite things about them (and I don't mean I think they're actually dating, obviously)--they've canonically known each other for a long time, having met way before MCR; Brian shaves Bob in LOTMS before the GoY video, which, JFC, that was ridiculously hot; every time Bob talks about Brian it's with this half-disgruntled, half-fond tone in his voice, and I love it lots. Also, individually, they tend to put themselves in danger, work way too fucking hard, be ridiculously competent, make a lot of snarky jokes and then manage this earnestness that is just too adorable for words.
So they're my favorites, most of all when you put them together. *beams*
And now for what I meant to do when I started writing this:
torakowalski wrote me a telepathic Brian ficlet, and it is so exactly what I love that I don't even know what to say. Like this:
HEARTS IN MY EYES, YOU GUYS. I want her to write me Bob/Brian forever and ever. And ever. If you haven't read her big bang from last year, you should get on that--it's alwaysagirl where it means something, where Bry grows up in the scene and figures her shit out and falls in love, and it is perfect.
In other recs, also read
graceoftheworld, who gets them so right. And
secrethappiness. And anything else under my bob/brian tag. And then tell Mango to get on her space!au, because space mechanic Bob is one of my favoritest things.
But before you read them, you could tell me why you like Bob/Brian, or ask me questions about them--the girls or the revolutionaries or the canon!verse boys, or whatever. Or tell me about an AU that should exist. Come talk to me about them, basically. ♥
I've talked about the fact that I fell into bandom because of Lyn-Z, right? And the idea for a longer revolutionary AU that I couldn't ignore. But I don't think I've talked about how I first wrote fic too much. Wait For The Morning happened because I made an innocent remark in
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50 comments or so later, we had to take it to email, because I realized I had an actual fic. Writing is never as easy as when I'm writing about the two of them, oh man. And what's in the story, the way Bob cares about Brian and Brian slowly realizes that he loves Bob, that's why I love writing them. Because they know each other so well, they can pull each other out of the worst of hells by yelling or not saying anything or by holding on. Because the tiniest comments ("Stop being such a goddamn idiot," or "Fuck you, asshole, you said you wouldn't do that any more," or "Shut up, Schechter," or even "I like you too") and the tiniest touches, they mean a hell of a whole lot more because they normally wouldn't say anything.
So that's a godsend for a writer, right? There is meaning in everything. Like this moment from my big bang:
Then Brian walks in, and the quiet is instantaneous, like someone flipped a switch. He looks even more frazzled than usual, ripping out his ear piece and saying “Mikey said--Mikey said to come back, because--” and then he sees Bob. For one second, Brian's face is completely, frighteningly open. “You fucking idiot,” he says, voice breaking. Lindsey wants to look away, but she can't; she gets it now, gets why he's been wound so tight she sometimes thought anything at all could make him snap.
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And I wish I could take credit for that, but really, it's that dynamic, it's easy, so easy. And goddamn gorgeous, too. ♥
It works when they're girls, too: One More Time With Feeling was the easiest of all the ficlets I've written, and I want to turn it into a story--a canon-based girl!Bob/girl!Brian would work, right? Tora says it would and I tend to agree.
The canon is one of my favorite things about them (and I don't mean I think they're actually dating, obviously)--they've canonically known each other for a long time, having met way before MCR; Brian shaves Bob in LOTMS before the GoY video, which, JFC, that was ridiculously hot; every time Bob talks about Brian it's with this half-disgruntled, half-fond tone in his voice, and I love it lots. Also, individually, they tend to put themselves in danger, work way too fucking hard, be ridiculously competent, make a lot of snarky jokes and then manage this earnestness that is just too adorable for words.
So they're my favorites, most of all when you put them together. *beams*
And now for what I meant to do when I started writing this:
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Eventually, Bob decides on what he wants to say. Brian keeps picking at his jeans and pretends to be surprised when Bob touches his elbow. “You want me to keep it a secret?” Bob asks. He doesn’t approve, but he’s willing to do it for Brian. Brian fights down a smile.
“Yeah,” Brian tells him. “I don’t like lying to the guys but I can’t do my job if everyone’s weird around me.”
“I’m not being weird around you,” Bob says.
Brian laughs. “You are totally being weird around me,” he says, letting himself relax just enough to nudge Bob’s shoe with the side of his boot.
Fuck off, Bob thinks loud and clear and obviously deliberate.
“You fuck off,” Brian says, nudging him again.
“That’s really weird,” Bob says and thinks in tandem (Brian suspects most people would be surprised at how rarely anyone thinks exactly the same words that come out of their mouths. Bob’s more honest than most at that though; it’s refreshing).
HEARTS IN MY EYES, YOU GUYS. I want her to write me Bob/Brian forever and ever. And ever. If you haven't read her big bang from last year, you should get on that--it's alwaysagirl where it means something, where Bry grows up in the scene and figures her shit out and falls in love, and it is perfect.
In other recs, also read
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But before you read them, you could tell me why you like Bob/Brian, or ask me questions about them--the girls or the revolutionaries or the canon!verse boys, or whatever. Or tell me about an AU that should exist. Come talk to me about them, basically. ♥
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Date: 2010-01-21 02:52 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2010-01-21 03:12 pm (UTC)And, yes, a canon-based girl!Bob/girl!Brian would totally work. (PS - speaking of, look out for the ficlet I'm just about to post!)
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Date: 2010-01-21 03:37 pm (UTC)I can't stop thinking about it! Like, they'd have to not talk about it much once they started dating (and just figuring out that they both swing that way would take some doing) because, you know, the requests to watch would get annoying. Brianna already gets called a dyke most of the time, and she doesn't give a fuck (they're both pretty confrontational, actually), but they both know that shit gets hard once you're open about being queer.
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Date: 2010-01-21 03:21 pm (UTC)Like,
:DDDDDDD
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Date: 2010-01-21 03:54 pm (UTC)And man, yes, that snippet is fabulous. Snark and care and not being able to keep their hands off each other, that is fantastic. Also Bob looking. I like it when they look. *grins*
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Date: 2010-01-21 04:02 pm (UTC)I'm glad you liked it! I love that verse. <333
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Date: 2010-01-21 04:59 pm (UTC)"That was a great idea, right there."
Bob doesn't look up. His leg is really fucking hurting. "Isn't running into burning houses to save people kind of what you do every day?"
"Yes, but I have actual training for this shit."
I have a domestic Bob/Brian somewhere that I was chatficcing with Mel too, something about them working in a private school? Bob was the Home Ec teacher, and Brian was the principal. Cue blowjobs in closets and lots and lots of making out when they get home.
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Date: 2010-01-21 03:57 pm (UTC)...that would be most appreciated. Especially if it was a high school AU. Because there are high school AUs for every goddamn pairing in the universe except them! Idk, I have a thing.
Uh, I mean, you could write whatever you want. Obviously. *rolls eyes at self* As much as I wish I could make people write exactly what I want them to, this is not that universe. ♥
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Date: 2010-01-21 03:47 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2010-01-21 04:16 pm (UTC)I haven't shaken him up very much so far. Brian got into his wreck and got into a fight because he's clearly insane and then he came to apologize and Bob sort of forgot about him, but not because Brian was forgetable, but because Bob wasn't rearranging his life to do so despite what Frank thinks he needs.
And the kitchen fire debacle of '08 notwithstanding, Bob is perfectly fine of taking care of himself and making his own decisions.
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Date: 2010-01-21 05:00 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2010-01-21 06:50 pm (UTC)He thinks maybe Brian would like to go to an estate sale with him, they'd probably be okay on a road trip, but he feels like Brian can't drive, not with his road rage. And Brian thinks Bob isn't allowed to work the ipod with his epically awful taste in road tunes.
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Date: 2010-01-21 07:44 pm (UTC)So the obvious solution is that Bob drives. *nods* And Brian picks the music.
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Date: 2010-01-21 07:56 pm (UTC)It's all so easy and fun and pretty much not how Bob expected his life to be disrupted that he isn't even really aware that they've been dating practically since the first time Brian showed up at his house. Brian likes to bring that up a lot. Snap fingers in face, make sure Bob's still on the same page, still with me here, Bryar, not lagging behind again, are you. And Bob usually tells him to fuck off, at least he didn't crash into a station wagon to get Brian's attention.
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Date: 2010-01-21 09:16 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2010-01-21 11:19 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2010-01-21 05:03 pm (UTC)I waver a lot over my bandom OTP *points to icon*, precisely because of the reasons you outline here. What's my favorite - Ray/Bob or Bob/Brian? I tend to land in the Ray/Bob camp, right up to the moment that someone posts something marvelous like this post.
The obvious solution - smush it into OT3, of course. :D As threesomes are more fun, and hopefully the combined forces of competence would balance out the collective workaholic or stupid risk-taking tendencies. But I digress. :D
I think the history piece is why I love Brian/Bob so much. It's so apparent in how they *are* with one another - and half-disgruntled, half-fond sums that dynamic up really well. I love that they have job commonality before the band, that they had a working relationship well-established before Bob Saved the Day and Became a Drum God Full-Time.
My favorite B/B moment? The clip of Bob TP-ing Times Square and how he yells for Brian. I know, random. But it makes me gleeface every time.
Questions... does 'tell me more about the girls please' qualify here? I can put it in the form of a question if need be. AU-wise... I want more B/B [or OT3 *coughs*] Space Opera. Because it obviously exists in Epic arcs in a mirror Universe. Also I think there's not enough Old West MCR AU action going on. AND I would read PI Noir AUs with the pair of them until the end of time. Literally.
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Date: 2010-01-21 07:49 pm (UTC)The history is so great, and I love that clip! He sounds so happy, I don't think that's random at all.
Oh, the girls, you've read the snippet, right? The entire idea comes from the premise that possibly Brianna decided that Bob needed a band long before the two of them ever met MCR. And she also decided that she was going to pine for Bob until Bob noticed or Brianna got a job somewhere she'd never see her again, because there was no way not to love Bob, no way at all, with her competence and her talent and her fucking eyes, okay? ♥
Re: space opera--
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Date: 2010-01-21 09:00 pm (UTC)But poor Ray, with two crazy people
You mean poor "I almost have this track down, gimme 15 minutes, just 15 minutes I swear" Ray? That one? I think two crazy people is what he needs. :)
Mine is a shiny tin-hat.
Yeah, I read the girls' snippet and it is deeply awesome! I love the premise and COMPLETELY understand why Brianna would feel that way about Bob. My question is - how does My Chem change things between them? And I'm talking about the early days before Bob drumming for them is even a thought. OH! And exactly how *did* they meet?
I am for any My Chem space opera! And Bob/Brian gets A+ marks right out of the gate! *claps and gleefaces*
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Date: 2010-01-21 09:22 pm (UTC)Hee, I will happily take the credit! Uh, I mean the blame. Of course I do.
Ahahahahaaa, right, but at least he has less of an urge to, idk, get set on fire? Or jump off tall buildings?
The time they meet at the club in the snippet is actually the first time they meet. And My Chem, well, Bob takes to them just as much as Brianna did, which makes Bri think that maybe, maybe if they ever--but they have a drummer, goddammit. She just knows how good Bob is, and it's killing her a little that she can't put Bob in that band when she so clearly belongs there. Because it is a thought, for Bri, at least, because she wants Bob in a band, Bob deserves to be in a band. I also think Bob was initially a little jealous (I'm pretty sure they're not together yet), but then she met them and they're awesome dudes, so she can't be all that jealous that Bri wants to manage them.
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Date: 2010-01-21 05:04 pm (UTC)Writing is never as easy as when I'm writing about the two of them, oh man.
*beams* Best feeling in the world :)
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Date: 2010-01-21 07:51 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2010-01-21 05:12 pm (UTC)This sums up EXACTLY why they are my OTP and have been since the very beginning of my bandom experience. You have expressed beautifully all of the things I love about them both and why they are so much more together.
Thank you for absolutely making my day!
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Date: 2010-01-21 07:52 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2010-01-21 05:47 pm (UTC)In conclusion, ♥ (and I am SO saving that telepathy fic to read when I get home. *__________________* )
ETA: also I would read all the Lyn-z/Mac in the WORLD, OMG. ♥_♥
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Date: 2010-01-21 08:01 pm (UTC)And I am now seriously looking forward to your big bang, JFC. :DDDDDD You do write them really well, oh man, I want so many more stories about them from you. ♥ You get at that half-joking, half-fond thing I talked about here SO AWESOMELY.
They were a background pairing in my story last year (the sequel to the one quoted above and they will be again, it's not a pairing-centric series), and I swear half of the comments I got mentioned them, because I just--I can picture it, exactly as you said, and it makes me so happy to even write the shortest of moments for them together.
LOVE is right.
PS. Here's the one I wrote: Lyn-Z/Mac.
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Date: 2010-01-21 09:00 pm (UTC)it's not actually Bob/Brian, I'll warn you, but it's a futurefic that ends up Bob/Brian/someone else, and the whole story is about how they get to that point, and backstory of the relationships between each pair in the group, and just. *happy place* I'm pretty excited about it, ngl. :D
and oooh, yay, I already have your recs post open in a tab at home, so now I'll be adding that to it. om nom nom Lyn-z/girls. \o/
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Date: 2010-01-21 09:27 pm (UTC)OH MAN. That sounds AWESOME. IL all slow fumblings into threesome-stories; there aren't nearly enough of them. *grins*
There's a Lyn-Z/girl!Bob in there tooooo. I keep making people write me Lyn-Z/girl!Spencer and other assorted pairings--there is a tragic lack of femmeslash in bandom. Hey, maybe that should be my prompts rule next time--request a femmeslash pairing! *ponders*
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Date: 2010-01-21 08:49 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2010-01-21 06:11 pm (UTC)Bob/Brian isn't my OTP, but I can totally understand why other people see it so clearly. And this is quite timely, actually, because one of the prompts I got for the trope meme was Bob/Brian, and I've kind of been staring at it going "but how do I even write them?" It's helpful to try to see them through other peoples' POVs. Especially Brian; I have a hell of a time conceptualizing him as a character. (He's not the only one; I have a tough time with Brendon, Spencer, and to some extent Patrick, too.)
So, okay, there's a question: talk to me about Brian. Who is he? What is he like? Defining characteristics/personality traits/etc? What was going through his head during/how did he react to some of the really well-known canon events (Gerard hitting rock bottom, Bob getting set on fire, Bob nearly dying)? I have an idea of what was going through his head while Gerard crashed and burned via LotMS, but I've wondered how he must have acted, right? Because he clearly didn't get Gerard clean; Gerard got there himself. But did he talk to Gerard about it, or did he not push it at all, or...what? I've just always thought it would have been different for him than for the rest of the band or Gerard's other friends, because while also worrying about Gerard Brian would have had to deal with venues, deal with, I don't know, Gerard hurling all over a hotel room when he got really drunk, deal with insurance people who want to hike up the cost of insuring Gerard because of his obvious downward spiral...mundane things like that, you know?
And, you know, given that he himself fell into the same pit not too long after Gerard crawled out of it, did Brian maybe look the other way? Did he think "wow, this is tragic, but that's the scene and it's probably going to be okay, and if it's not, well, I just won't think about that" because on some level he was also thinking about how he was falling into the same trap and wanting to believe it was okay (it's the scene, right) and everything would turn out fine (he wouldn't get *too* bad, he'd stop before that happened) and there's no need to worry about it (he doesn't want to think about potential bad consequences because it makes his life feel scarier than it already is)...? You know what I mean?
(I feel like I'm being really pedantic wanting to know about weird little specifics like that. Erm. But that's how I get comfortable with characters, I wonder about weird little specifics like that and try to settle on a way I think the person would have acted. And then that informs how I write him/her. You know? I have had a hard time figuring things like that out for Brian for some reason.)
Aaaaaanyway. /ramble
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Date: 2010-01-21 08:57 pm (UTC)And I have no idea how he reacted to Gerard, but in my head it went something like, okay, I'm going to deal with what I have in front of me right now, which is a drunk/drug-fueled/suicidal lead singer, and I have to get him through this intact plus the rest of the tour has to work out, jesus--uh, I think he was probably working way too fucking hard and then helping hold Gerard together, and I don't think he had time to think, and then suddenly they were all okay, and then it got too much.
Does that make sense? Feel free to ask me more questions!
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Date: 2010-01-22 02:45 am (UTC)PS. Mango I have a medical test thing in the morning and I can't fucking sleep.
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Date: 2010-01-22 01:05 am (UTC)I love it when you talk about stuff. You're so darned eloquent. It makes me go all starry-eyed.
I admit, it's because of you and Tora that I even like this pairing. And I may not have mentioned it? But that bit in your BBB is just. It's one of the most perfect moments in the entire thing, and we all know how crazy I am for it. It's just so...see, perfect is still the only word I'm coming up with; it's so enlightening that even Lindsey, a complete outsider, can fully understand everything without ever having to know.
But I'm with you. I love how they've known each other for so long, canonically - I love that this is something they had before My Chem, and kept it through some really tough shit that we'll probably never know; I love that they never talk about it, either.
every time Bob talks about Brian it's with this half-disgruntled, half-fond tone in his voice, and I love it lots. Also, individually, they tend to put themselves in danger, work way too fucking hard, be ridiculously competent, make a lot of snarky jokes and then manage this earnestness that is just too adorable for words. There you go being eloquent again, because oh my God, yes. THIS. Big fat THIS. :)
Canon-based always-girls Bob/Brian would totally work, and I think you two should get on that. Soon. :D
Or, y'know, tell me about them as revolutionaries, how they met, how they managed to fall for each other in that environment - or maybe, how could they have ever managed not to fall for each other in that environment, seriously - how Brian rose so high up in the revolution he's working with Chantal; or maybe he started it, maybe it was them, maybe she found them. How Bob's the only peace Brian gets, sometimes (and wow, the images of those two from your NYE piece still make me stop and catch my breath).
Basically, and I think you know, I want to know everything about that world. I'd devour it. Even if it was just something about Bob drumming something absentmindedly, but something good, on the edge of his desk one day in school, and the teacher cracked a ruler over his knuckles for it and gave him detention. And Brian sat looking at Bob's hands, red and sore, and thought, enough.
(Wow, sorry, I have no idea why they're suddenly attending my mother's old primary school. :/ Feel free to ignore all that.)
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Date: 2010-01-22 02:49 am (UTC)*waggles eyebrows* I'm (we're) working on it!
And god, I'd tell you about them as revolutionaries, because there's a prequel I'm fighting with (I think because I started it in the wrong place), but you just, this:
Even if it was just something about Bob drumming something absentmindedly, but something good, on the edge of his desk one day in school, and the teacher cracked a ruler over his knuckles for it and gave him detention. And Brian sat looking at Bob's hands, red and sore, and thought, enough.
That's--you just figured out the RIGHT beginning to that prequel, and I love you so goddamn much for it. That's it, that's how I'll be able to write it. You are AWESOME.
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Date: 2010-01-23 01:13 am (UTC)I, uh. Have maybe been kinda staring at this at alternate points during the day and doing this weird sqirmy beam. And I maybe hid under my blanket when I first read it. So since there's no way for me not to sound like a total dork now, I'm just going to say thank you for being so nice, say glad I could help, and go back to making starry eyes at you. Okay? Okay.
♥
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Date: 2010-01-22 01:19 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2010-01-22 02:50 am (UTC)ARE THEY NOT THE BEST? Go read my girls, linked above, I think it is relevant to your interests.
ALSO I MISSED YOU. ♥